tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post8367577450835057000..comments2023-06-06T07:02:56.002-07:00Comments on The Spark of Reason: What T. Colin Campbell Didn't Want You to SeeDavehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18290594860469294453noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-82764830159606606722013-07-20T17:58:47.627-07:002013-07-20T17:58:47.627-07:00All you people want to do is keep doing what you a...All you people want to do is keep doing what you are doing....not change so you can blame something else. Colin may have a very good discovery here. Ya know what! Keep believing the government they have nothing to gain right!, you should totally trust them. Feed that to your children.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-27633299065510529872012-09-25T07:17:45.264-07:002012-09-25T07:17:45.264-07:00To the person that already disagrees with the unhe...To the person that already disagrees with the unhealthness of milk based protein primarily casein. I will put this in simple terms, just as T. Colin Campbell does in his book written for the common lay person. Proteins are the most varied biological macromolecules aka macronutrients in living things. Simple answer to casein causing cancer would be to look up his actual published peer review research and read the entire scientific study. Thats what a true scientist would do. Also as an aside, there are prions that cause disease and we do not fully understand the mechanisms and they are composed of amino acids to. The fundamental design in the China Study book is good, but of course rather than attack with a simple understanding of macromolecules and their monomers please read the actual research before you make an assessment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-43204444006991788262011-09-20T15:30:47.763-07:002011-09-20T15:30:47.763-07:00Consider the possibility that you look for evidenc...Consider the possibility that you look for evidence to support your diet and apply far more analysis and criticism to diets far different than your own. I admit I have the same tendency. I have noticed that you are much softer on the peleo cult followers than vegan ones. Why is that? Are you--GASP!-- more than a scientist and simply a human with deep biases. <br /><br />The problem with the study of nutrition is that the the human body is much more complicated than what science can account for. I doubt science is capable of providing a well-controlled basis for drawing conclusions beyond very limited variables, and I doubt even this. Scientists really thought that anyone not consuming meat or dairy could possibly thrive off protein from only plant foods. As I mentioned in my previous post, vegetarians knew they were wrong. Science was slow to understand what vegetarians already knew. We don't have to be anal scientists to know certain things. You really can get all the protein you need without eating meat or dairy.JD Hullingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13569205173778288524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-3536767487018097352011-09-20T11:45:08.507-07:002011-09-20T11:45:08.507-07:00I don't tell my friends and family to eat like...I don't tell my friends and family to eat like I do. I only suggest in conversation that a diet rich and fruits, veggies, whole grains and legumes is very healthy, but I never tell them they shouldn't eat meat or dairy. When they ask about my own diet, I tell them about it and say it works for me, and it's true that I say I think too much meat and dairy consumption is not good for us. Some people believe differently.<br /><br />People used to site science when claiming that a vegetarian diet could not possibly provide people with enough protein. I would venture to guess that most people still believe this. Vegetarians got it right. People still believe vegans need to consume meals consisting of complete proteins like rice and beans. Scientific knowledge caught up to what vegans already knew, yet vegans have been called religious zealots by scientists and mainstream whom scientists enlighten with their errors that pass as reality. It takes only a little common sense based on experience to know that vegans don't need to consume meat and dairy in order to build strong muscles. Who are the religious zealots? Those who cites science showing that vegans can't possibly get enough protein consuming only plants or vegans who are able to demonstrate as much as endurance and strength as meat eaters? I would say the former are religious zealots. <br /><br />Okay, let me know word for word what you would like to post to Campbell's website. I have no problem doing so. <br /><br />What problem do you have with Campbell's experiments on rats?JD Hullingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13569205173778288524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-21950319841328160712011-09-19T08:24:21.279-07:002011-09-19T08:24:21.279-07:00@JD
And maybe you missed my comment where I gave ...@JD<br /><br />And maybe you missed my comment where I gave you the opportunity to update my beliefs with new evidence: "find me the answer to the question I posed to Campbell in the book." Or anywhere, for that matter. I expect you'll say something along the lines of "I don't need to find that answer because I know THE TRUTH, and yea verily the UNBELIEVERS shall be laid low by the POWER OF BEANS", but I thought it would be worth a try to give you another chance. Sometimes gems of knowledge come from the most unexpected sources.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18290594860469294453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-7461582769515028502011-09-19T07:11:59.252-07:002011-09-19T07:11:59.252-07:00@JD
"I suppose a closed and arrogant mind is...@JD<br /><br />"I suppose a closed and arrogant mind is the best way to avoid cognitive dissonance."<br /><br />Look in the mirror.<br /><br />"As long as you can avoid the literature that demonstrates increased cancer risk with meat and dairy consumption, the more you can avoid the disease of the mind you mention."<br /><br />I don't ignore it. But there's other evidence of similar weight (epidemiological, etc.) showing now effect. It's a net zero. If you can provide a biological mechanism demonstrated in living organisms, I would be more interested. At this point, however, you're just pushing your own confirmation bias.<br /><br />"People without scientific sophistication knows this to be true by experience, not by some religious belief."<br /><br />People with "scientific sophistication" (by which I assume you mean the ability and will to think for themselves) know that experience can be a valuable guide. They also know that personal experience rarely provides a well-controlled basis for drawing conclusions. I have no doubt you are healthier on your current diet. I also have no doubt that, when viewed through a more analytical lens, you changed many things about your life. You don't have a good control to compare with, e.g. only increasing vegetable intake while keeping other things the same, or only eliminating wheat while continuing to eat meat, or whatever.<br /><br />And apparently you think that people should follow your advice just because you said so. That's exactly the attitude I would hope people run screaming from, as it is essentially the definition of religion, and not science. It's no surprise you can't get others in your family to listen to you, since you really give them no reason to other than your religious zeal.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18290594860469294453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-52919014854117649322011-09-19T06:56:55.610-07:002011-09-19T06:56:55.610-07:00I will continue posting with the hope that your co...I will continue posting with the hope that your continued defensiveness and childish insults will provide more entertainment.<br /><br />If you don't read too many Paleo sites, I recommend you delete the one Paleo found under links on your blog. Call me crazy, but a blogger's links usually tells me his interests. <br /><br />Speaking of religious beliefs, net metabolic outcome is your idol. I'm convinced you have a better scientific understanding of net metabolic outcome, but I'm equally convinced that you view nutrition through a narrow vision. I'm also convinced you have not yet spend sufficient time investigating the many epidemiological studies showing a correlation between meat and dairy consumption and cancer. We're not talking about population of starving vegans, and I understand that correlation is not causation. <br /><br />I suppose a closed and arrogant mind is the best way to avoid cognitive dissonance. As long as you can avoid the literature that demonstrates increased cancer risk with meat and dairy consumption, the more you can avoid the disease of the mind you mention. If you don't want to investigate this issue through Campbell, I know you can find the literature somewhere else. <br /><br />We haven't even talked about heart disease risk. I'm willing to your hatred for Dr. Esselstyn is equal to that of Dr. Campbell. I have to admit that I reject Esseystn advise to avoid oil; Esselystn's advise stems from an occupation hazard of saving people's life from inoperable heart disease, but I see where he's coming from. All patients who followed his diet reversed heart disease. Wow. True, they were also on small amounts of cholesterol reducing medication, but their medication didn't work when they followed the typical diet recommendations. <br /><br />I don't really care if my family or friends eat meat or not. I just want them to be healthy, and I know their lack of health stems from too much meat and dairy and too enough fruits and veggies. If they can increase their fruit and veggies intake, especially their veggies, I know they'll feel better. People without scientific sophistication knows this to be true by experience, not by some religious belief.JD Hullingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13569205173778288524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-6922276673337770852011-09-16T11:32:16.506-07:002011-09-16T11:32:16.506-07:00@Anonymous,
Apologies if I misinterpreted your ze...@Anonymous,<br /><br />Apologies if I misinterpreted your zeal, that it was not directed toward Campbell per se but instead at veganism in general. Speaking of paying attention: I already said in an earlier comment that the distinction between plant and animal foods is shortsighted. You could eat a vegan diet consisting entirely of sawdust, and not be healthy. You could eat an animal-based diet of rat fur, and not be healthy. It's the metabolic net outcome of what you eat that's important, not whether the organism has mitochondria or chloroplasts. These are the sorts of things you figure out when you attempt to view the world through the lens of science rather than vague semi-religious concepts. If I "shave an axe to grind" with anything, it's with those who wish to visit their irrationalities upon the rest of the world as if they were deep truths rooted in evidence and logical reason. <br /><br />I know that Campbell read my question, because he specifically mentioned it in rant about why he wasn't going to answer such questions.<br /><br />You don't know how many paleo blogs I read (not many, and usually because somebody directs me toward a specific article which sounds interesting). At this point, I have about as much interest in reading T. Colin Campbell as I do the works of Rev. Sun Myung Moon. Your rant has done nothing to dissuade me. Please continue posting, however, it is certainly entertaining to see you get tangled up in your cognitive dissonance.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18290594860469294453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-43382383506713889132011-09-12T15:23:29.391-07:002011-09-12T15:23:29.391-07:00Did I say I was a devotee? How many times have I ...Did I say I was a devotee? How many times have I stated that I don't follow Campbell's program. Perhaps you're confused because you expect admiration to translate into religious worship and a belief that Campbell presents complete and perfect knowledge, but I don't agree with all of his opinions, as I have made clear a few occasions. Are you paying attention or are you intent only on making me into some imaginary enemy? Whatever the case, maybe I simply need to tell you that I disagree with Campbell about a few things. I agree with him that it's better to avoid vitamin supplements, but I disagree with his one exception rule that I should take a vitamin b12 supplement. I prefer to get some during family events where I have a little turkey. b12 stays in the body for a long time; furthermore, I can get b12 from nutritional yeast. Yes, China Study did change my life, but it was just a jumping board. I still enjoy the book, but I see its flaws. My primary motivation for eating the way I do stems from experience and simple, anecdotal evidence. It's all I really need.<br /><br />You need a reality check. I am fairly certain that Colin Campbell receives tons of message on his website. Do you actually believe he spends his time sorting through all the messages? Is your ego so inflated that you believe that he's not replying to your question because you somehow stumped him? Give me a break.<br /><br />Experience and anecdotal evidence is all I need to know to base my diet. Descriptions of the science of nutrition did motivate me to act, but at this point in my life I know enough about my own body and other people's stories to know that people are full of BS when they claim that eating a whole foods, plant based diet is dangerous and inferior. There are many people like me who have never felt more healthy and alive as vegans or near vegans. You said you eat a different diet and you feel much better; that's great. From what I can gather, it appears that you are eating some trendy paleo diet. If you have given up cheese and dairy and consume whole foods, we can say we have something in common. I'm sure what we have a common explains our improved health. Since you feel so great, I guess there's no reason to change your diet. It works for you. Good for you.<br /><br />My diet works for me, which is why I plan to continue eating the way I do until I die. It seems to me that you shave an axe to grind with respect to those who choose to live a vegan diet. <br /><br />Oh, if you can waste your time looking at Paleo diet blogs, I'm sure you can find some time to read The China Study. <br /><br />One last thing. Click here for a list of elite, vegan athletes: http://nutritionnibbles.blogspot.com/2008/08/vegan-elite-athlete-is-it-possible.html<br /><br />Their stories are really enough to know that vegans can thrive on their diets.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-56740592117526056562011-09-12T08:25:55.449-07:002011-09-12T08:25:55.449-07:00@Anonymous,
Not sure what you mean about "da...@Anonymous,<br /><br />Not sure what you mean about "dangerous advice". Advice is just a bunch of words. It's only dangerous when people follow it uncritically, without actually thinking through whether it makes sense, the motivations of those giving the advice, etc. Sort of like reading "The China Study" and taking it as your bible for all things nutritional, particularly given that it apparently contains very little actual scientific discussion.<br /><br />But since you've read it, and seem to want very badly for me to read it, let's do this: find me the answer to the question I posed to Campbell in the book. If that's in there, I'll read "The China Study". Otherwise it would be pretty much a waste of my time.<br /><br />In fact, I'll go you one better: since you seem to be a great fan of T. Colin Campbell, you might appeal to him to provide the answer to my question. I suppose it is understandable (albeit really dumb) that he might get miffed about a young whippersnapper questioning him. But perhaps as a devotee you'll have better luck?Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18290594860469294453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-7730248912673276582011-09-11T08:12:50.115-07:002011-09-11T08:12:50.115-07:00If you don't like my condescending attitude, y...If you don't like my condescending attitude, you should stop trying to convert me to your "ism". You want me to read China Study, and I decline because I don't believe Campbell is much of a scientist given his behavior. Minger is not my "guru" as Campbell apparently is to you. If you have a problem with Minger's behavior, take it up with her. I did ask Campbell why he censored me, and that question also was never answered, nor did it even get published.<br /><br />The really telling thing about all of this is Campbell's incredibly shallow thinking. Did he really think people like me wouldn't just post these questions/comments elsewhere? Not too bright. <br /><br />If you like your diet, stick with it and be happy. You shouldn't need me or anybody else to validate your behavior, and if you're really healthy in mind and body, anti-vegan criticism shouldn't mean much to you. I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.<br /><br />Science will never have "complete understanding" of anything. Recognizing that is key. But people like Campbell use this as a convenient excuse to avoid saying "I don't know" or otherwise facing difficult questions that cause them cognitive dissonance. Campbell further seems to think that despite his admitted lack of understanding (which we all share, by the way), he has some special insight into things, all that nonsense about "symphonies" etc. And for some reason he doesn't feel the need to explain his reasoning to the rest of us, we're just supposed to listen because he's special. I hope you enjoy basking in Campbell's "specialness". I'll pass, thanks.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18290594860469294453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-58584300358226608672011-09-08T14:03:31.440-07:002011-09-08T14:03:31.440-07:00Your condescending reply to my answer about censor...Your condescending reply to my answer about censorship reminds me of the bad parent who doesn't trust in his children's ability to see a double standard when he sees one. I simply find it interesting that you are quick to complain about Campbell not replying to your message but say nothing about Ms. Minger's apparent refusal to engage with Campbell. It certainly shows your bias. <br /><br />Speaking of double standards, you don't take your posters to task for making irresponsible and ridiculous statements. Some guy is offering dangerous dietary advise without backing up his statements. Let's face it: there are lots of people that all vegans don't get enough protein in their diets and are risking their health. Let's put that myth to rest. There is plenty of anecdotal evidence alone that puts that baby to rest.<br /><br />I do not believe science will ever be able fully comprehend the chemical processes involved in nutrition, an opinion of Campbell's I agree with. Nature is more complex than our ability to fully comprehend it. I doubt there will ever be a complete knowledge of nutrition.<br /><br />I eat brown rice, potatoes, legumes, fruits, veggies that are not overly processes, meaning that I cook them myself and try to avoid overly processed, prepackaged foods. Honestly, I'm not trying to a pure about it, but I enjoy staying as close as possible to my diet and find that eating bread, even wheat bread, brings my energy down. I can eat tons of beans, rice and potatoes and still have plenty of energy. This is what I mean by plant-based whole foods diet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-3938059313353029482011-09-08T09:22:02.816-07:002011-09-08T09:22:02.816-07:00"children in the Philippines who ate a diet r..."children in the Philippines who ate a diet rich in dairy and protein developed cancer after consuming peanut butter contaminated by aflatoxin while children of poor families who couldn't afford meat or dairy did not develop cancer. Interesting, don't you think?"<br /><br />Very interesting. It would be a lot more interesting if you provided a hypothetical mechanism. That's the question I asked Campbell, which he chose not to answer, instead giving a long rant about why he wouldn't answer the question. See details above in the original post. I await your response.<br /><br />Here's my hypothesis as to why those poor children didn't develop cancer: they were starving. There's probably a whole lot of other tissue in their bodies that didn't develop properly either due to a lack of complete protein.<br /><br />Your "answer" to my question about censorship reminds me of when I ask one of my children why they are behaving badly to the other one, and boils down to "he/she did it first". In other words, it's childish. Tell me why Campbell blocked my comments on his website. He's supposed to be a scientist and educator - this not the behavior I would expect.<br /><br />Vegsource.com deserves infinite credit for publishing comments from "vegan haters". I don't consider myself in that group. You can be a vegan and make informed and intelligent choices. What I do dislike are semi-religious converts to a particular diet who do not think for themselves, but instead pick their "guru" and flog his teachings like he was the second coming of Christ. This phenomenon isn't unique to vegans, you can find these people for any and all dietary approaches.<br /><br />Personally, I think most of the ways we categorize foods are remarkably short-sighted, given our current knowledge of metabolism. And the "plant" vs. "animal" categorization tops that list. We need to classify foods based on their net metabolic effects, not whether leaves or a face in its original form. As I responded to you originally, I've seen similar improvements in health as you describe, yet I eat nothing like a vegan diet. What we probably have in common is the "whole foods" part (though you have yet to define what this means to you). <br /><br />What is it that you call a "plant-based whole foods diet"?Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18290594860469294453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-36365559537860053822011-09-08T08:55:36.258-07:002011-09-08T08:55:36.258-07:00@Dave,
Please explain how asking you to read The ...@Dave,<br /><br />Please explain how asking you to read The China Study and try the diet is a sign of religious zealotry. I find that very odd. I do think there is some religious zealotry among scientists who actually believe that it's always best to rule our own lives by reason alone. Reason does have it's limits, and if I had never had read the China Study I would continue eating an almost vegan diet based on experience and my total cholesterol of 156, which is far better than my 269 when I ate a diet of meat, fruit and veggies. Personally, eating far less meat and dairy works for me, and I know it has worked for others. <br /><br />The China Study is a work written for the lay person, not for an audience of scientists, but his opinions in the book are derived from his scientific work. Scientists also have a opinions they wish to share their opinions derived from the work beyond their scientist peers. I'm not sure why you are not interested in his opinions since they rely on his work, so why are so reluctant to read it. <br /><br />I'm not a scientist, but it does strike me as very interesting that children in the Philippines who ate a diet rich in dairy and protein developed cancer after consuming peanut butter contaminated by aflatoxin while children of poor families who couldn't afford meat or dairy did not develop cancer. Interesting, don't you think? Campbell then conducted a study in which he fed one group of rats aflatoxin and 20 percent of their protein from casein, and feed aflatoxin to another group of rats with 5 percent of their protein coming from casein. All rats fed 20 percent casein developed cancer, and those fed 5% casein did not. Interesting, don't you think?<br /><br />Perhaps you don't find epidemiological studies convincing, but when such studies are backed up by laboratory rats, I find that interesting. I think it's interesting that rural Chinese who consumed a whole foods plant based diet had very low cancer rates while the more affluent in other areas who consumed meat and dairy had high rates of cancer. <br /><br />There's a great deal in the book worth considering, even though Campbell does present his opinions. I don't agree with all of Campbell's opinions. After all, I do eat a little meat from time to time, but I don't consume dairy because it stiffens my joints. <br /><br />Vegsource.com probably receives tons of posts on their sites from vegan haters and those who have a bone to pick with the vegan diet in general. Obviously, the website is meant for those who want information about a lifestyle they have already chosen, and sure it does try to convince people. People aren't zombies, though, so if you want to challenge the ideas on the website, you can simply look elsewhere. <br /><br />As for Campbell censoring you, I just don't know what really went on. Campbell said that Ms. Minger censored him. What is is with raw meat eaters and their censorship? <br /><br />I'm happy with my diet. It works for me. <br /><br />Enjoy this video of Carl Lewis talking about competing as a vegan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOTETXwfIaY <br /><br />No, I'm not being religious. :)<br /><br />:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-45389073217356601632011-09-07T16:33:28.230-07:002011-09-07T16:33:28.230-07:00@Anonymous,
You're proselytizing. So far your...@Anonymous,<br /><br />You're proselytizing. So far your argument is basically "just try it" and "read this book", which is essentially what I get from religious zealots who come to my door to try to convert me into their cult (apparently, they also don't know the meaning of the word "solicit", as they think my "No Soliciting" sign doesn't apply to them).<br /><br />I will happily continue publishing your comments. Unlike T. Colin Campbell, I don't choose to censor those who don't agree with my views. But the whole point of my blog is the free exchange of information, and so far you aren't contributing any. If you want me to engage in further discussion, you need to bring something more concrete to the table than "I can assure you X is true" etc.<br /><br />I don't know your definition of a "plant-based whole foods diet", so I can't tell you if I tried it or not.<br /><br />By Campbell's own admission, The China Study was not intended to be a scientific work but more an expression of his views on nutrition. I'm not interested in his opinions (or really those of anybody else, for that matter). He had the opportunity to answer my questions about the science underlying his views, and he chose instead to throw a hissy fit about one of my questions, and not even publish the other one in his blog. Until he demonstrates otherwise, I'll assume it's because he has no answers, which implies that reading The China Study would be a giant waste of time.<br /><br />What is it with vegans and censorship anyway? Campbell did it (and even took down his whole blog to hide the dissension). The 30 Bananas people are all about censorship. I'll bet they wish they could censor this:<br /><br />http://www.cathletics.com/articles/downloads/proteinDebate.pdfDavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18290594860469294453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-7966367297202031312011-09-07T12:03:05.954-07:002011-09-07T12:03:05.954-07:00@Dave. You wrote, "And let's be very cle...@Dave. You wrote, "And let's be very clear: if anything, during the period that obesity and diabetes have skyrocketed, the US has been drifting more towards the sort of diet you espouse."<br /><br />I don't doubt you have amazing scientific skills and reasoning abilities, but it's odd that would suggest that more US citizens drifting towards a whole foods plant based has anything to do with increased obesity and diabetes. I can assure you that those eating a whole foods, plant based diet are not obese, and if they have never had diabetes, they certainly would not get the disease as a healthy vegan diet or those who come close to doing so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-18515746819896577452011-09-07T11:57:50.495-07:002011-09-07T11:57:50.495-07:00Has anyone posting here actually read The China St...Has anyone posting here actually read The China Study. It doesn't appear to be the case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-88820257366580486302011-09-07T11:55:48.882-07:002011-09-07T11:55:48.882-07:00@Dave: Good for you. Have you tried eating a who...@Dave: Good for you. Have you tried eating a whole foods, plant based diet. Maybe you can try it out and see how that goes versus your paleo diet.<br /><br />Have you read this yet? http://www.vegsource.com/news/2010/07/china-study-author-colin-campbell-slaps-down-critic-denise-minger.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-33873348219484499442011-09-07T07:58:20.251-07:002011-09-07T07:58:20.251-07:00Hah! Dave, that was so much better than what I was...Hah! Dave, that was so much better than what I was planning to write.Drew @ Willpower Is For Fat Peoplehttp://willpowerisforfatpeople.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-57099077364402992692011-09-06T15:17:59.161-07:002011-09-06T15:17:59.161-07:00After reading {insert LC/paleo book here}, I now e...After reading {insert LC/paleo book here}, I now eat a whole foods animal-based diet and have never felt better. I enjoy running and bike riding, and as a 43 year old I can tell you that my energy level and performance is better than when I ate bread and beans at 35 years old.<br /><br />Maybe most of you who attack {insert LC/paleo book author here}'s character are motivated because you don't like the idea of changing your diet, and perhaps a little blindness in your analysis and criticism is also based on your unwillingness to change. Just a thought.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18290594860469294453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-37324961657519070822011-09-06T12:55:14.541-07:002011-09-06T12:55:14.541-07:00After reading T. Colin Campbell's China Study,...After reading T. Colin Campbell's China Study, I now eat a whole foods plant based diet and have never felt better. I enjoy running and bike riding, and as a 45 year old I can tell you that my energy level and performance is better than when I ate meat and dairy at 40 years old. <br /><br />Maybe most of you who attack Campbell's character are motivated because you don't like the idea of changing your diet, and perhaps a little blindness in your analysis and criticism is also based on your unwillingness to change. Just a thought.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-45841748411616375432011-08-21T15:46:33.980-07:002011-08-21T15:46:33.980-07:00Kudos to "Spark of Reason" for exposing ...Kudos to "Spark of Reason" for exposing Colin Campbell's nonsense. But Campbell is not just a phony 'scientist'; he is also a failed businessman who started a vegan-inspired business (Paracelsian, Inc.), lost the money of several investors, failed to make legally-required quarterly filings, and was stripped by the S.E.C. of the right to trade stock publicly. See here for the S.E.C.'s 2005 administrative proceeding against Campbell's company: http://www.sec.gov/litigation/admin/34-52778.pdfMichael B.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-1300537950476376142010-10-06T08:37:55.305-07:002010-10-06T08:37:55.305-07:00@Lindsay,
What exactly makes the Campbell's w...@Lindsay,<br /><br />What exactly makes the Campbell's work "conclusive"? I presume that you being "sad" and "disappointed" is a way of saying you have no actual evidence to back up Campbell's conclusions, or refute the recent challenges, the most notable of which is Denise Minger's because it is simply mathematics. If Dr. Campbell can't even get the math right, how can we even begin to trust his conclusions?<br /><br />If Dr. Campbell wants to help people, he should be providing information instead of gospel. I asked a couple of straightforward scientific questions of Dr. Campbell. Not only did he not even publish the questions on his blog, he stomped off in something of a hissy fit that anyone would have the temerity to question him in the first place. This all smacks of the "great and powerful Oz", ordering us to ignore the man behind the curtain. If Dr. Campbell doesn't want to "open his curtain" and provide actual information beyond "because I said so", then all of his good intentions don't amount to more than a hill of beans.<br /><br />And let's be very clear: if anything, during the period that obesity and diabetes have skyrocketed, the US has been drifting more towards the sort of diet you espouse. You can find details here:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.nutritionjrnl.com/article/PIIS0899900710002893/fulltext" rel="nofollow">http://www.nutritionjrnl.com/article/PIIS0899900710002893/fulltext</a>Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18290594860469294453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-38926406222968286012010-10-06T07:57:04.114-07:002010-10-06T07:57:04.114-07:00It's sad to me that a conclusive study meant t...It's sad to me that a conclusive study meant to help people heal, not hurt them has received so much criticism on here. I'm a bit disappointed by everyone who has either negatively challenged Dr. Campbell's views or made a negative comment about him below the post. There are countless studies that commend an animal-heavy diet, and where has that gotten us? Heart disease, growing amounts of cancer, high rates of diabetes, and an obesity epidemic that is running rampant. Instead of trying to disprove a study that has been worked on in for over thirty years, why don't you try eating a healthy, plant-based diet for several years and see where you're at? I myself had a moment fall into my lap three years ago that led me to two years of veganism. I wasn't looking for it or wanting to practice it - but here I am, a plant-based, vegan person and loving it. I look to people like T. Colin Campbell with admiration because they have challenged the status quo - so that we may have better health and well being to come. I'm just thankful my mind opened up three years ago and continues to stay open. <br /><br />(And no, I am no spokesperson for or employee of Dr. Campbell. I am just someone who believes in the healing power of eating plants and living in the least cruel way possible.)Lindsay Wolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01070474448507781762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-70741175022408022362010-07-30T18:40:46.019-07:002010-07-30T18:40:46.019-07:00I believe this quote applies: "You cannot rea...I believe <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/8p5gu/you_cannot_reason_people_out_of_a_position_they/" rel="nofollow">this quote</a> applies: "You cannot reason people out of a position they have not reasoned themselves into."Drew @ How To Cook Like Your Grandmotherhttp://cooklikeyourgrandmother.comnoreply@blogger.com