tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post8422905979741144712..comments2023-06-06T07:02:56.002-07:00Comments on The Spark of Reason: "The Myth of Green Beef": Pseudo-logic in actionDavehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18290594860469294453noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-64108690151347711652010-05-06T07:28:04.319-07:002010-05-06T07:28:04.319-07:00Hi Al. Excellent questions, many along the lines o...Hi Al. Excellent questions, many along the lines of topics I've been pondering lately. I'll see if I can squeeze off a blog in the next couple of days to discuss some of this.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18290594860469294453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-35939454834867926362010-05-05T19:33:13.322-07:002010-05-05T19:33:13.322-07:00Dave,
Off topic but I'm not sure where else t...Dave,<br /><br />Off topic but I'm not sure where else to post.<br /><br />People with severe metabolic syndrome - lots of years, coupled with lots of bodyfat gain - do you think these types of people are forever off of any type of carbohydrate, save for the occasional green vegetable?<br /><br />Also, what about adipose tissue - if I have someone who gained a lot of bodyfat, I am to assume that not only did adipose cells increase in size, but new cells formed. Given this (plus metabolic dysfunction), could that person's new homeostatic bodyfat level be higher even if they implement a proper low carb paleo plan - so losing only so much bodyfat under normal low-carb paleo conditions is within reason. In other words, this person will only get so lean without calorie restriction.<br /><br />I've seen what I think fits this, many times, and am wondering exactly what is going on.<br /><br />I'm asking because of your history and that some paleo guys are beginning to preach some form of grain or starch, and it seems that a "rebound" is starting to take effect.<br /><br />Thanks in advance.<br /><br />AlAlbert Ciampanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-44828417315667724782010-04-28T12:30:37.139-07:002010-04-28T12:30:37.139-07:00http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC167925...http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1679257/<br /><br />http://www.springerlink.com/content/u5v124457p51x522/<br /><br />http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T2C-49XPVC7-3&_user=10&_coverDate=12%2F10%2F2003&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1315195531&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=25e8c128fe58b7957786216d050dd2b3<br /><br /><br />These are just some of the links of many that might show some relevence.Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14565481105849556142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-82565445039545484082010-04-27T15:03:01.830-07:002010-04-27T15:03:01.830-07:00@Tom Naughton,
Anger, leading to increased respir...@Tom Naughton,<br /><br />Anger, leading to increased respiration, greater output of hot CO2, and even more global warming?Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18290594860469294453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-47189333254996290722010-04-27T14:48:34.226-07:002010-04-27T14:48:34.226-07:00Excellent analysis. But of course, you know what&...Excellent analysis. But of course, you know what's going to happen when you apply logic to an emotional topic like global warming ...Tom Naughtonhttp://www.tomnaughton.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-62010388200492885182010-04-27T13:01:29.989-07:002010-04-27T13:01:29.989-07:00@Aaron,
What's the mechanism by which iron mi...@Aaron,<br /><br />What's the mechanism by which iron might have these effects?Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18290594860469294453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-87373400779958536142010-04-26T15:19:34.377-07:002010-04-26T15:19:34.377-07:00hmmm -- couldn't iron overload lead to diabete...hmmm -- couldn't iron overload lead to diabetes, cancer, and heart disease.<br /><br />however, it was just a though, I usually side with a paleo-type diet.Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14565481105849556142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-50057764265299139092010-04-21T08:46:27.296-07:002010-04-21T08:46:27.296-07:00@LeonRover
Thank you.
@Anonymous
Not an entirel...@LeonRover<br /><br />Thank you.<br /><br />@Anonymous<br /><br />Not an entirely surprising result. Obviously if you're not insulin resistant you tolerate carbs better (lower insulin response required to stabilize blood sugar), and we'd expect a low-fat/high-carb (percentage wise) calorie restricted diet to do better for those who are insulin sensitive vs. insulin resistant.<br /><br />That said, I'm thinking that low-fat vs. low-carb misses the point, not the least because the experimental definitions of what "low-fat" and "low-carb" mean seem to be all over the place. Manipulating diet and watching the outcome is a "black box" approach to the problem. But we can "open the box", and measure things like insulin response.<br /><br />I think it would be much more informative to do experiments that measured fasting and post-prandial insulin and glucose response as a function of diet composition, and then correlate THAT with weight loss. Since we know that insulin and glucose play a causal role in fat storage vs. release, we get more information. Such studies open the door for tailoring diet treatment for individuals, since I'm guessing that the lower insulin/glucose, the better the results. Specifics of insulin/glucose response are probably at least partially genetic.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18290594860469294453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-54745784905466330912010-04-21T06:12:58.317-07:002010-04-21T06:12:58.317-07:00The Spark of Reason, the Voice of Empiricism, than...The Spark of Reason, the Voice of Empiricism, thank you Dave Dixon for a nice post on chaos, modeling and the scientific method.<br /><br />Via Physics Math and Statistics, I also ended up in world of business, but never left behind the idea that our conclusions be driven by facts, by data and by investigations and critiques which note where there is no predictability nor certainty.<br /><br />I applaud your use of the scalpel of scepticism and the Razor of Occam.LeonRoverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07219165631035107225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7721098568390636553.post-63112244758941249402010-04-21T06:02:54.698-07:002010-04-21T06:02:54.698-07:00Nice to see you posting again! On a different topi...Nice to see you posting again! On a different topic from this one, have you ever looked at this study:<br /><br />http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15897479<br /><br />They found people who aren't insulin resistant lose more weight on a low fat diet than low carb. The data seems pretty solid, but I'm no expert.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com